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A few 4.0 questions.

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While there's been a lot changed, there's still more to go. But I thought I'd drop in and ask a few Qs. 

 

1) Is the clan / Org. Creation going to be rebooted / upgraded now that Skills are a thing?

 

2) Are the new Jutsu buying / Skill system going to carry over to Pets and Summons as well? Or is it going to be 1 Jutsu per rank?

 

3) Porting over accepted Jutsu [when the Jutsu creation sheet gets updated]. Can that be done in bulk? Or like with normal Creation Apps. Must be done one at a time?

 

and 

 

4) Since Amidasu Cybernetics uses a Shikichi Gem as a powersource, would that count as a Puppetry Skill or a Shiki skill? [Amidasu Cybernetics is something my first char isn't going to specialize in. But is something my second character [the Inventor / Shikijutsu specialist] will. Mostly Kazue will get it out there to show case stuff, but won't really excel at it, or use it herself unless she get's injured with an unhealable injury forcing her to use it.]. Or would it be it's own Skill stat as Cybernetics?

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1) There are new Clan/Org creation guides and templates but the old ones are still viable for legacy purposes. If you want to update your Clan/Org you can, but there is no push to.

 

2) Pets buy jutsu using their master's exp, while Summons have a fixed number of jutsu based on their rank. These are covered in the Advanced Guides that aren't yet visible.

 

3) I covered this in my unposted 4.0 launch topic but since we've sort of gone into this weird premature launch I'll address it here.

Firstly in 4.0 you can only make one creation app at a time, this includes Globals because people would just dump a load of globals in the creations section which were 1) an arse to sift through 2) clogging up the global listings and 3) never actually used.

 

Now for the relaunch I had planned to allow mass reapps of stuff approved under 3.0. You just converted them to the new templates (which aren't up yet so hold off on that).

That said please be reasonable in how much stuff you reapp at a time. You especially given the number and size of your apps; I would just quit if faced with all of them at the same time.

 

4) Who does what now? Eugh, this Shiki stuff is annoying. Technically either would work, the question is whether they deal more with Puppetry or with Shikijutsu.

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-  Amidasu Cyernetics have a special powersource that fuels the Puppetry Cybernetics  [so that people without Puppetry Jutsu can use them. While powering up the Jutsu effects, if any, of the Cybernetics].

 

 But why not just use regular puppetry? It's only a C Rank jutsu so nobody would have much trouble training it. Unless you mean to use it for prosthetics which are acceptable (Prothestic Puppets are a signature of the Kudo Clan, our resident puppet experts). I'm assuming that you intent to give these to non-ninja as they are the only people I can think of who couldn't train a puppetry jutsu, which is fine but there will be limitations in that case.

The powering up of jutsu effects on the other hand sounds problematic.

 

- The ACS [Power chip] creates a type of Bunshin that exists in the body that has jutsu programming [like a Shikichi double]. The programing basically has all the bits and bobbles of all the augments, puppetry components, and features that are in the body.

 

 Is this the intelligent Shiki puppet we discussed?

 

So mostly it's Puppetry with ShikiChi Creation for flavoring / explaining how everything works.

 

Then use Puppetry. The difference between the two is that Puppetry wouldn't grant you benefits with non-puppet techniques and Shikijutsu wouldn't benefit non-shiki techniques. So Shiki Puppetry would be good with either but False Puppet Theatre or a custom Shiki would only be good with one of them. Not that they'd be unusable, just not as good.

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Ah I accidentally edited your post rather than make a reply. Sorry about that
 

-  Amidasu Cyernetics have a special powersource that fuels the Puppetry Cybernetics  [so that people without Puppetry Jutsu can use them. While powering up the Jutsu effects, if any, of the Cybernetics].


 But why not just use regular puppetry? It's only a C Rank jutsu so nobody would have much trouble training it. Unless you mean to use it for prosthetics which are acceptable (Prothestic Puppets are a signature of the Kudo Clan, our resident puppet experts). I'm assuming that you intent to give these to non-ninja as they are the only people I can think of who couldn't train a puppetry jutsu, which is fine but there will be limitations in that case.
The powering up of jutsu effects on the other hand sounds problematic.
 

- The ACS [Power chip] creates a type of Bunshin that exists in the body that has jutsu programming [like a Shikichi double]. The programing basically has all the bits and bobbles of all the augments, puppetry components, and features that are in the body.

 
 Is this the intelligent Shiki puppet we discussed?
 

So mostly it's Puppetry with ShikiChi Creation for flavoring / explaining how everything works.

 
Then use Puppetry. The difference between the two is that Puppetry wouldn't grant you benefits with non-puppet techniques and Shikijutsu wouldn't benefit non-shiki techniques. So Shiki Puppetry would be good with either but False Puppet Theatre or a custom Shiki would only be good with one of them. Not that they'd be unusable, just not as good.

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Yep for prosthetics like Eyes [with puppetry components / effect], senses, arms, legs, landing / jumping units, and other things to augment to character. But yeah it can be used for non-ninja, or those who don't want to go through the training for puppetry jutsu to use cybernetics. It'd allow ninja who can make cybernetics, give it to practically anyone who wants it.

 

I was thinking of that, letting it be like an AI, but then I thought that since it'd be implanted it'd make the hit to knock out thing undone, and it'd be way to advanced at the current timeline.

 

Something I might work towards with my second character, but atm. It's not intelligent, as much as it's an extension of the body that handles cybernetics, but has no actual intelligence.So it's more like a Bio-Chip from Dues Ex Machina. But ninjafied, and jutsu crafted rather than tech crafted.

 

We'll get to that later I guess.

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Sorry, I did it again. I've been moderating too much.

 

 

 

Yep for prosthetics like Eyes [with puppetry components / effect], senses, arms, legs, landing / jumping units, and other things to augment to character. But yeah it can be used for non-ninja, or those who don't want to go through the training for puppetry jutsu to use cybernetics. It'd allow ninja who can make cybernetics, give it to practically anyone who wants it.

 
Limbs I'm okay with, senses seem beyond what Seichi's technology can achieve. Having normal prosthetics for civilians is fine but any kind of special features or augmentations are going to need Puppetry out of fairness.
 

 

 
I was thinking of that, letting it be like an AI, but then I thought that since it'd be implanted it'd make the hit to knock out thing undone, and it'd be way to advanced at the current timeline.
 
Something I might work towards with my second character, but atm. It's not intelligent, as much as it's an extension of the body that handles cybernetics, but has no actual intelligence.So it's more like a Bio-Chip from Dues Ex Machina. But ninjafied, and jutsu crafted rather than tech crafted.

 
We'll get to that later I guess.

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No problems ^_^. It happens. 

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I was thinking like with hearing all it'd need to be (at D rank) is like those horns that went into the ear, but smaller (and a higher ranks an effect that'd channel air to allow greater strength of hearing), and a nose would be a simple puppet nose, but for greater range of smelling would be a jutsu effect mimicing the Special Ability Higher Senses "Smell". Although taste and touch augments are something that'd need at least a ninja capable of building a B rank Shikichi to do [the one capable of senses]. 

 

But needing puppetry jutsu to allow the use of special features / augments is fair. 

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Yep ^_^.

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