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"Stealth" Weakness Inquiry

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I have a quick question about the "stealth" weakness, and need an official say on what exactly the word "stealth" covers. For balancing an RPC, I had three major weaknesses which were: Powerful Chakra Presence, Powerful Chakra Signature, and the weakness of not being able to move around quietly. Essentially under "power chakra presence" I was allowing my opponent to auto-know where I am around him or her simply because they would be able to sense my presence even in battle. For "powerful chakra signature" I was allowing any character to auto-track my RPC from any thread. And as for "not being able to move around quietly" I was allowing the opponent to auto-hear me (via moving clothing, steps, moving wind, etc.)

 

However, for the three weaknesses above, I was later informed that they all fell under the category of "stealth". While I was under the initial impression that "stealth" really only covered the silent movement weakness, I had no idea that "stealth" was such a broad concept.

 

So if I read in someone's profile that they are absolutely horrible at stealth, would I be able to assume I can auto-hear, auto-track, and auto-locate (in battle) them at all times?

 

I just want to have an official ruling on this weakness before I go forward and alter more things about my RPC =]

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I doubt you'd be able to auto-locate someone like that just because they have stinky stealth under any conditions; low visibility/whatever enviroments (ie. the middle of a snowstorm or something) would probably do a better job of hiding someone then silent movement ever could.

 

I think there are two problems with it; A) people detecting someone's presense through their chakra alone without a jutsu specificly intended to do so is an iffy concept, and B) while the weaknesses you're trying to get may not be exactly alike, they overlap quite a bit, and having them both would unbalance your profile.

 

Stealth was capped at bad because a lot of people (ie. nearly every tai-spec on the site, including me) use fighting styles that simply don't rely on stealth, and are using it to balance strengths they do rely on, to an unfair extent. Having multiple stealth-related weaknesses could all-too-easily be used as a loophole to get around that ruling.

 

Not a ruling, just my two cents.

 

*noms anvil*

Edited by Mishio

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So if my profile says that I'm
giving
my opponent permission to auto-track me or auto-hear me when I'm around them (even in harsh weather conditions), it won't be considered an "absolutely horrible" weakness?

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I don't know if I'm qualified enough to comment, but I feel as though shinobi with incredibly large chakra, but are not able to suppress it properly, could at least be sensed by other shinobi. Maybe if the person had a small chakra presence, then no, it wouldn't be trackable, but if the character has a high chakra level, then it should be able to be sensed and thus tip people off of her location. Knowing where she's coming from is an incredibly huge weakness. >.> <.<

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Though without a jutsu, i don't know how thats possible to give off your chakra so that people can detect you. Its not really something people can normally do here without a jutsu or special ability.

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So if my profile says that I'm
giving
my opponent permission to auto-track me or auto-hear me when I'm around them (even in harsh weather conditions), it won't be considered an "absolutely horrible" weakness?

Like I just said, the mechanics of it are iffy at best, and it overlaps with a more-common weakness that the mods placed a severe cap on due to not being perticularly detrimental to people of certain fighting types, such as taijutsu-specialists.

 

I don't know if I'm qualified enough to comment, but I feel as though shinobi with incredibly large chakra, but are not able to suppress it properly, could at least be sensed by other shinobi. Maybe if the person had a small chakra presence, then no, it wouldn't be trackable, but if the character has a high chakra level, then it should be able to be sensed and thus tip people off of her location. Knowing where she's coming from is an incredibly huge weakness. >.> <.<
Not really. There's no naturally occuring sensory organs that can detect charka in it's latent state. It is possible to create a jutsu or special ability that could, but that would be the effect of the jutsu. This isn't Bleach. >_> And her fighting style isn't even perticularly reliant on stealth, so it isn't as detrimental as you seem to believe, at least not in combat.

 

Besides, in TNF, most of the body's energy takes the form of something called "core energy" when it isn't in use, which is diffrent from chakra, and can't be manipulated, controlled, or used without first being converted into stamina or chakra.

 

*noms anvil*

Edited by Mishio

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Like I just said, the mechanics of it are iffy at best, and it overlaps with a more-common weakness that the mods placed a severe cap on due to not being perticularly detrimental to people of certain fighting types, such as taijutsu-specialists.

 

No for several reasons. There's no naturally occuring sensory organs that can detect charka in it's latent state. It is possible to create a jutsu or special ability that could, but that would be the effect of the jutsu, not a natural occurance. This isn't Bleach. >_> And her fighting style isn't even perticularly reliant on stealth, so it isn't as detrimental as you seem to believe, at least not in combat.

 

Besides, in TNF, most of the body's energy takes the form of something called "core energy" when it isn't in use, which is diffrent from chakra, and can't be manipulated, controlled, or used without first being converted into stamina or chakra.

 

*noms anvil*

 

Ah, thanks for the clarification. I'm mixing TNF up too much with the Naruto manga. -_-"

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This is just my opinion but I feel as if stealth is under utilized. Yes most peoples fighting styles don't rely on it but I've read that people with Excellent stealth are being RP'd against with someone that has Very good hearing and it's like their stealth doesn't even matter the other guys knowing can hear them around a building or approaching. Yes we are the extremes when you factor in a average genin is Olympic in all categories and when you start adding in Strenghts you're basically superhuman.

 

Someone with abs horrible would be so clumsy at stealth that they would have beyond horrible agility and balance to explain it. If you were that bad you would have never passed the academy if that was the case. However, I do feel the chakra stealth weakness, if viable, is Very Bad at best. I know this isn't cannon but we are based off it and they do exhibit a "charka sense" of sorts at times. I remember hearing the phrase "I didn't sense you" when Kakuzu spoke to Kakashi... and there were other cases as well. However! I don't think it would tell you where the person is just that they are close and maybe a general broad direction.

 

To clarify:

Powerful Chakra Presence-Bad or Very Bad at best

Powerful Chakra Signature-No go-Pretty much the same as above

Stealth-Bad

 

Now if they are all rolled into one then I think stealth could be worse than Bad. Very Bad would seem more fair but not horrible or worse.

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Well as it is right now, there is no such thing as chakra presence and you can't feels someone chakra without a jutsu or special ability so I don't think that would be in strengths/weaknesses but more as a SA/jutsu that allows a person to emit their chakra like that. And yes, this is not canon.

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-Rolls in-

Raph's thread of Quick and Easy tips are basally a guideline and not so much a hard rule set. However, things are listed as capped for a reason. Usually when one thinks of stealth, they don't think about chakra signatures or how well they can be tracked. The weakness isn't usually strong enough to balance most things, especially how allot of people actually RP it. Now, there are exceptions to these rules, mainly based on both common sense and moderator discretion. (Yup, ANBU helpers discretion too)

 

If a weakness is far more severe then the normal, or different to the point where its much more valid, sometimes exceptions can be made. For example, if the weakness would be able to balance a main attribute (Strength, speed, ect). If the weakness is severe enough at Absolutely Horrible to be able to balance against an Excellent Speed or Excellent Chakra Pool strength, then that would be an exception. But, it has to be detrimental enough to where it actually effects that RPC. Most of the time, for example the weakness sense of smell, aren't all that inhibiting and sometimes are a strength.

 

As for the three different weaknesses? If they all technically do the same thing they need to be grouped together. One cant have three different speed weaknesses for example since they all basically do the same thing but in different ways. Absolutely Horrible is the highest any one weakness can go, having three different speed weaknesses wouldn't be able to bypass that restriction.

 

So in short my answer is, group them together and if its really that bad of a stealth weakness that you could balance it against any other physical strength it should be fine.

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Some people and their "omg, this weakness doesn't balance because you don't do anything related to what this is!"

 

Well YEAH. That's the point! Why in the WORLD would you focus your fighting style on a WEAKNESS? My favorite example of this obscenity is ranged accuracy weakness. If I can't hit the broadside of a barn, why would I bother carrying around so many projectiles that at best might hit the baby down the street if I'm really, *really*, lucky.

 

 

I had this written another way first. But then I realized, I'm an NPC mod now. I have to uphold certain standards.

 

Le'sigh.

 

In other news... my title is awesome! =D

 

 

Anyways, I just wanted to bring this up.

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