MK's weakness whould be Weapon

[sebihp2007]

When talking about A-Rank's weaknesses:

Bloodline -- No. of weaknesses it can exploit -- No. of bloodlines it can be exp. by

SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 1 -- 1
SY -- 1 -- 0
LotBB -- 0 -- 1

To be more exact, SW can exploit MK and SY, MK can exploit SW, SY can exploit LotBB and LotBB can exploit nothing ...

That's why LotBB should get a weakness to exploit among the A-Ranks and SW should lose a weakness to exploit .. to balance things out ... Plus LotBB is exploited by 3 BLs (SY, SoT and VT), but that's off the point...

Solution? Make MK's or SY's weakness be Weapon ... simple ...

Why MK instead of SY? 2 reasons ...
If SY got Weapon weakness, then weapon's elemental Jutsu would conflict with SY's elemental resistance; with Tai weakness, that won't happen
Having SW exploit MK and MK exploit SW at the same time is rather stupid, mainly because they cancel each other out, so exploiting has no purpose here ... If MK's weakness was switched to weapon, then SW will own SY, SY will own LotBB, LotBB will own MK and MK will own SW ... no strength - weakness conflict entered this way ...


EDIT: No, I'm not saying this towards my advantage because I don't have an A-Rank, it's just a "Game Balance Comment"

[Tigerfire]

I agree 100%. 1 of the A-ranks need a Wep weakness.

BL-Weakness-BL's that own it
LotBB-Nin-4(?) [SY/VT/SoT/Lycan]
SY-Tai-2(?)[SW/Lycan]
SW-Gen-2(?)[MK/Lycan]
VT-NOTHING-1(?) ---> [(Gen/Nin(?)Wep/Tai doesn't have any Water jutsus >__>;; ]
SoT-NOTHING-0[Nothing]
MK-Tai-2(?)[SW/Lycan]
Lycan-Nin/Gen/Wep-3[Fire]

[sebihp2007]

I agree 100%. 1 of the A-ranks need a Wep weakness.

BL-Weakness
LotBB-Nin
SY-Tai
SW-Gen
VT-NOTHING
SoT-NOTHING
MK-Tai
Lycan-Nin/Gen/Wep

VT has water, SoT doesn't need a weakness ... But the point isn't really about weaknesses, but about strengths .. Because, like I said, SW has 2 and LotBB has none ...

EDIT: re to your edit
[/B][/I]-NOTHING-1(?) ---> [(Gen/Nin(?)Wep/Tai doesn't have any Water jutsus >__>;; ]
Actually Gen has Still Waters ...

[hello7410]

As it stands now:
Spirit Warrior > SY
Spirit Warrior = MK
SY > LotBB
LotBB > Nothing
(clear advantage to SW; clear disadvantage to LotBB)

The other A-ranks can be more-or-less forgotten since they aren't passive reliant, but rather jutsu reliant (with the exception of Lycan which auto-fails).

If MK gets a weapon weakness, then:
SW > SY > LotBB > MK > SW

If the circle is reversed, then:
MK > LotBB > SY > SW > MK

If SY gets a weapon weakness, then effectively none of the passive-reliant A-ranks would have a weakness since they would cancel out (ie SW would be weak to MK which would be weak to SW- hence no weakness), so they'd might as well remove weaknesses from A-ranks in general and reduce the boosts accordingly.

I think that explains everything you stated. It's been discussed before...to death. This is just the best post to sumaraize everythign that was said in that thread.

[Tigerfire]

I think it's bull how Wep has NO BL to overpower.

[Konoha777]

You think it's bull because you're the one using the bloodline Tigerfire. >.>; As it stands now, people seem like they can get anything they want by whining and complaining. People will never learn that it's only making things worse for them.

That reason alone is most likely why Lycan was "nerfed," with Legend of the Blue Blade being another one. >.>; If you people just dealt with the harsh reality of what TD is doing, you'd probably have decent bloodlines with decent abilities and advantages over another.

[KyoRuedrig]

As is, LoBB has an advantage over..... The B-rank NB users?

[AnimeMexicano]

I made this argument long ago. xD I was hoping zane would see it e.e but he hasn't commented on it, so a PM might be in order v.v

Solutions:

1.) MK gets weapon weakness.
2.) Switch SW with LotBB in the "Circle".
3.) Remake "Circle" so SY gets weapon weakness and work from there.
4.) We make LotBB 145% off boost with 80% weapon taken >____> Then we won't care if we have no advantage over another A rank BL, like the rest of y'all do.
5.) We leave it alone and screw LotBB over and start the money talk again >.>
6.) Remove our nin weakness

I like #6 best >.> If we don't have any advantage over other A rank BL like they do us, we shouldn't get a disadvantage to them either >.>

[sebihp2007]

You think it's bull because you're the one using the bloodline Tigerfire. >.>; As it stands now, people seem like they can get anything they want by whining and complaining. People will never learn that it's only making things worse for them

Well, I'm not the one using the bloodline, I'm not complaining ... Now, the theory is VERY SIMPLE ... If you didn't get it, let me say it once more !!

SW has 2 A-Ranks to exploit
LotBB has no A-Ranks to exploit

Do you understand now???
You think that's balanced ? No, it's not
You think that's complaining ? No, it's not
That's just putting facts face to face >__>

Oh, and AnimeMexicano, only "1" works .. the other make LotBB overpwrd

[hello7410]

Sebi calm down....

All that needs to happen is for MK to get a weapon weakness.

@ ES:
1) Best solution.
2) No then LotBB is in it twice. Just a new problem.
3) Why make things harder?
4) Throws the overall percentage of the bloodline off.
6) That throws off the overall percentage of the bloodline.

[Konoha777]

The advantage you have is there are no strengths against the weapons. You also, obviously, forget that one of the bloodlines has a decent fire weakness to take advantage of. With a 135% Weapon increase using Blazing Death Star, you can easily take advantage of Lycanthropy.

You're obviously forgetting that there are more bloodlines to be made, and there is a possibility that one will have a weakness against Weapons. Complaining about the current bloodlines does no use simply because TD set them up to be that way.

Get the point now?

Plus, I never said you were the one complaining, most obvious due to the fact that you didn't read the first statement now did you?

As I will repeat, the bloodlines are not set and are everchanging. Whining/Complaining about them won't do you any good. TD doesn't care really, because he has them set up to his preferences, and if he decides to change something, it will be on his terms.

For the LotBB users, find ways to exploit the user's Bloodline, either by using elemental damage or pure Weapon damage. The percentages are useless if you don't have the stats to back them up.

[AnimeMexicano]

kyo we're talking A-rank wise, cause if you want to throw B-rank in, Silver Moon will take care of NB.

sebihp2007 thats the talk of someone that hated LotBB e.e They over look the obvious.

@ hello
2.) Not making a new problem, just switching the blame e.e
3.) I know v.v but sicne we're doing a lot of new thigns on TNR, might as well do something like that. xD (Wasn't expecting for this to really happen, so it's probably the worst choice of all. xD)
4.) Not really, If we added 10% to our off and 5% to our def that equals the 15% weakness what we're discussing.
6.) Same as 4, if we remove our BL weakness, we no longer have have a reason to want a advantage over another A rank BL.

@ 777
Do you really need to bring lycan into this e.e Use a decent A rank BL next time......you can't can you? >.>

As for my BL being made, if zane is busy doing other stuff it could be months before new BL come out >.> and if anymore A rank BL came out, they would still screw with the "circle" but in the mean time before anything else comes up LotBB is still in the worst condition e.e

I have the stats to back them up, Tigerfire has the stats and why should we have to wait when other don't???

[Tigerfire]

You're obviously forgetting that there are more bloodlines to be made, and there is a possibility that one will have a weakness against Weapons. Complaining about the current bloodlines does no use simply because TD set them up to be that way.
Lols. It's been more than a Year and only like 3 BL's were made? Don't quote me on that x.x;;



For the LotBB users, find ways to exploit the user's Bloodline, either by using elemental damage or pure Weapon damage. The percentages are useless if you don't have the stats to back them up.

Lawl@lackofElements. We only got Lighting, Ice, Fire, and Wind. SY pwns all these elements. Lighting is Ok but strong against No one, the wind one sucks and No one is weak to Ice and our Fire is weak against SY and VT but strong against Lycan.


The advantage you have is there are no strengths against the weapons. You also, obviously, forget that one of the bloodlines has a decent fire weakness to take advantage of. With a 135% Weapon increase using Blazing Death Star, you can easily take advantage of Lycanthropy.

No one cares about Lycan seeing as they are all extinct now.. e___e

[sebihp2007]

With a 135% Weapon increase using Blazing Death Star, you can easily take advantage of Lycanthropy.

Dude, seriously now... WTF?
Every single freakin' offense can easily take advantage of Lycantrophy (except Tai) ... Lycan is an alt bloodline, not a main one ... Then AGAIN not every comment made about bloodlines is complaining ... You obviously miss the point of the thread >__>

Oh, and hello, how could I calm down if everything I say is considered complaining, when I don't even have the blooldine?

[Konoha777]

You're complaining about the bloodline, regardless of whether you have it or not.

What I said about Blazing Death Star against Lycanthropy is true. If you fail to see that, then oh well. That's a major point. LotBB now has a distinct advantage against an A-Rank, which is Lycanthropy.

If you think about it logically for a second you'll realize this:

135% Weapon Offense increase with BDS against Lycan's 20% increase in fire damage received.

If you use BDS, you'll raise your damage, which in turn will cause them to take more damage due to their Fire weakness.

If you fail to see the point I'm trying to make, oh well.

[KyoRuedrig]

Konoha.. >.>; That post was just full of troll.

Lycan is not the point of this thread. This isn't called: Lets talk about how Lycan can be taken down by BDS. ~____~

His point was not abou the fact that Lycans can be destroyed by Wep/Fire. The point was that the advantage is in every single BL besides a taijutsu user. (Which Lycans shouldn't have a weakness to due to it being a mainly taijutsu bloodline, if used properly)

Point is, this thread is about the A ranks OTHER THAN SoT and Lycan, which have thier own strengths and weaknesses besides.

And please, stop trolling the person who has a good point... ~___~

Stay on topic and try again.

[Tigerfire]

Why are we even talking about Lycan? Lycan is like a B-rank BL.

Lulz@Kyo'sPost xDDD

[sebihp2007]

What you don't understand is that Genjutsu and Ninjutsu can both explot Lycan's weakness ... So ... even IF we consider Lycan's weakness then:

SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 2 -- 1
SoT -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1

So LotBB is underpowered ... Don't try to argue with it, since it's true ... If you bring a solid proof to contradict me, do so ... But else, don't ...


SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 2 -- 1
SoT -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1


SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 2 -- 1
SoT -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1


SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 2 -- 1
SoT -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1


SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 2 -- 1
SoT -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1


SW -- 2 -- 1
MK -- 2 -- 1
SoT -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1

You know, in my country, some say:
When 2 persons tell you you're drunk, go home and sleep

[BaozaKeruga]

Lol, yes Gen users can so abuse Lycan with A genin fire jutsu...the pain.

seriously tho >_>; Lycans are pretty much safe from fire jutsu.


and Lol, does Konoha get the main point of the thread?even tho its fail.

[Konoha777]

Trolling a point? Don't think so. Relook over the post, and you'll see why it was on topic.

I used the factors in which LotBB affects the advatange BDS has over Lycan. If anything, another possible solution could be to bring in a Water Jutsu so that LotBB has another elemental advantage over an A-Rank. MK doesn't really need a weakness to weapons. SW/MK/SoT/VT pretty much have 100% Weapon Damage Taken

Why not take those into consideration? That would "throw off the 'circle" even moreso than that.

[Tigerfire]

Lol, yes Gen users can so abuse Lycan with A genin fire jutsu...the pain.

seriously tho >_>; Lycans are pretty much safe from fire jutsu.


and Lol, does Konoha get the main point of the thread?even tho its fail.

Zane said FT and SH are getting their elements back.... Stop posting with useless info. Fail.

[BaozaKeruga]

Zane said FT and SH are getting their elements back.... Stop posting with useless info. Fail.

>_>; I was talking about our current situation..not when -Zane- decides to Add the elements back, or when Zane decides to make new bloodlines.

and since when did "most likely" become a substitution for 100% "yes I will"


Anyways at this rate, this is just going to turn into another loltroll topic.

[sebihp2007]

If anything, another possible solution could be to bring in a Water Jutsu so that LotBB has another elemental advantage over an A-Rank.

If they added a water wep Jutsu, then the graph would look like this:

SW -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 (only if using a certain Jutsu) -- 1

While if MK would got wep weakness, it would be:

SW -- 1 -- 1
LotBB -- 1 -- 1

Yes, perfect balance ... better isn't it ???
Dude, why the crap won't you just accept the crappy facts?? I'm not coming up with any fancy theory, what I'm listing here are freakin' REAL facts

[Konoha777]

Why won't you calm down? >___> Anyways~

If you're a weapon user, you'll most likely have BDS, and for the sake of example, the Water Jutsu. >.>; Now it has 2 distinct advantages thus making it

SW -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 2 -- 1

For the sake of the lulz:

SW -- 2 -- 1
LotBB -- 2 -- 1

Your not thinking out correctly. If TD does actually happen to read this thread, he'll most likely just be like "cool story, bro."

[MadaraUchiha]

There is a big difference between using a jounin elemental jutsu in order to actually exploit a weakness rather then having a variety of jutsus (Special jounin, Forbidden) and still be able to eploit a weakness. You can only use 4 jutsus and that shouldn't be wasted on something that is weak just in order to exploit a weakness.

I don't know where your getting at Konoha but as it stands SW can exploit both MK's and SY's weakness with any type of taijutsu jutsu the user desires to use, while LoTBB doesn't have that option.

Although Lycan has the same problem of being underpowered so should we just concentrated on one bloodline and not the other? mehh~

[Tigerfire]

There is a big difference between using a jounin elemental jutsu in order to actually exploit a weakness rather then having a variety of jutsus (Special jounin, Forbidden) and still be able to eploit a weakness. You can only use 4 jutsus and that shouldn't be wasted on something that is weak just in order to exploit a weakness.

I don't know where your getting at Konoha but as it stands SW can exploit both MK's and SY's weakness with any type of taijutsu jutsu the user desires to use, while LoTBB doesn't have that option.

Although Lycan has the same problem of being underpowered so should we just concentrated on one bloodline and not the other? mehh~

Finally some1 makes a point. xD

[Raven]

Being MK myself, I can see sebihp's point, even though I'm not very fond of the idea to trade my weakness against an offense that hardly exists for a very common one.
If you think of the A-ranks as a circle, it makes sense.

Like, MK > SW > SY > LotBB > MK > SW etc.

The only problem is: There is no real circle. MK, SW and LotBB are basically all the same. 35% offense boost in a particular offense + 15% weakness in a particular defense. For a balanced circle, there'd need to be a ninjutsu clone of that - and even then you'd have to clone the bloodline jutsu(AF anyone?). And nothing's more boring than clones.

SY has no fixed offense, as it can be as well genjutsu, weapon or ninjutsu. Ninjutsu has the most elemental jutsu, however, and SY bloodline jutsu are ninjutsu. SoT is ninjutsu, seeing as how it has a boost to it and only bloodline ninjutsu. But since it doesn't have a weakness it doesn't fit into the circle. VT can as well be ninjutsu as genjutsu, although ninjutsu would probably be the smarter choice. Lycan is..."there".

So overall, we have 3 A-rank bloodlines that would most benefit from ninjutsu and "one" A-rank bloodline with a ninjutsu weakness. In my opinion, there is no balance in that to begin with, as there are 3 bloodlines to exploit LotBB's weakness but none for LotBB to exploit. And even if there was, there would still be no balance.

And don't forget, SW is the only bloodline that can't exploit lycans weakness.

If MK will get a weapon weakness, so be it. But that won't make things more balanced. For that, we'd need a major overhaul...and I think the last one wasn't too long ago.

[SasukeUchihaCurse]

I agree that ranks should be combined and chained together but that isn't the case for anything...I've been ranting that about SG and VotSK nothing though...I agree completely though MK should be weak to weapon balances the ranks..

[MarkRogers]

TD doesn't care really, because he has them set up to his preferences, and if he decides to change something, it will be on his terms.

And therein lies half the problem.

Or rather, all of the problems.

Is that statement actually true? For TNR's sake, I hope that remark is the mutant offspring of overzealousy and misguidance -- and not the truth.

Because if it is, and "TD doesn't care", then he shouldn't be anywhere near the creative or management end of this game.

The majority of players have begrudgingly come around to the idea that his duties of balancing the game, managing the "creative" end and sorting Events -- have only failed miserably so far due to the vast difficulty of the task at hand.

Not everyone can do sums, afterall.

But if you're saying it's just because he doesn't care, that all these problems have arisen, then you're saying TNR might as well be in the hands of an infant.

So yeah.

I really am hoping you're wrong on that.

Or TheNinja-RPG is doomed to fail, period.

[ceedee]

@TigerFire: I forget whether anyone commented on this.. but the whole "weakness" way of ranking bloodlines doesn't work. SoT might not have a weakness but that doesn't mean it's godly.

@Konoha: -Every- A-rank has an advantage against Lycan, Konoha. It's not like you can count it for LotBB but not for all of the other ones. Bloodlines below A still beat it even if you count the regen increase as a % increase. (It's not quite a % increase. The only significant boost comes from switching it out.)

@sebi: Still, the constant bolding and SIZE INCREASE are ridiculous.

@Emeral: Er, try not to come up with new solutions that use your calculations. They're way off. >_>; The ideas aren't horrible but the off-math was kind of painful to see. ._. #4 reads: Give us an advantage over almost every bloodline. Then we won't complain about having a weakness!

Anyway, as a side comment really, I never saw the bloodlines as a circle. They almost seem like they were meant to rival each other. SW and MK. LotBB and SoT. With SY and VT being black sheep. B-ranks are almost a complete replica of this system of offenses countering each other and elementals being out of the loop.

That said, SoT doesn't fit in well because it's not a clone and SY seems like it's a replacement for it but doesn't have the proper weakness. Though, I don't see why a change in MK is horrible, either.

Also... when was the last time there was a huge complaint about -creativity- in particular? As far as I know, the bloodlines' relations to each other are personal issues. It's not like you roll a bloodline and complain about how boringly it plays into the scheme of things (which, imo, the S-ranks are an example of).

[Misc]

well to be honest problem is that while argument of changing MK's tai weakness to a weap weakness works from passive point of view it doesn't work well from jutsu's point of view.

For example I think LBB has AF that is a very useful jutsu that stuns and does high dmg

On the other hand MK has the following jutsu

1. Blood River - This jutsu has an "anti-flee" effect that seems kind of useless. Also when compared in terms of raw dmg it's not that impressive with SH dealing 220k, SNS dealing 205k and BR a mere 200k so put simply it's a nerfed SH clone with no AoE effect but instead it has a useless effect and costs 25 chakra more to use

2. Mind Cognizence - This is basically an off buff combined with anti-stun. Unfortunately the passive boost is far too small to be viable and it then got nerfed. At lvl 100 it gives a 15% boost to gen off for 1 to 3 turns. This means in best case scenario you sacrifice 1 turn to 345% dmg in next 3 turns that means you deal 86.25% of dmg you would have dealt with pure dmg although on average it would be 82.5%. To compensate it has an anti-stun effect of equally dubious use although that passive has been vastly overweighted so if it was put in terms of a dmg + effect jutsu for anti-stun component it would be a like a SJ jutsu that deals 60k dmg (instead of 200k) and may prevent you getting stunned. Just as an aside if it was a pure off buff to be viable imo it would require a buff of around 50% gen off for 1 to 3 turns that means on average you do same dmg as with pure dmg jutsus assuming dmg is approximately linear with gen off

If you compare MK to SY that has FP that I believe has an least some practical uses or ED that I believe is one of highest raw dmg ninjutsu

I'll also note that as weap is the most used offence and MK already has weak jutsus changing the passives would be like last nail in the coffin since atm only thing MK has going for it is it's passives

[sebihp2007]

AF .. useful stun Jutsu ? .... MB ... more useful stun Jutsu

Also, Weapon is not the best offense anymore, CS was cloned ... I still don't get why weapon should have a disadvantage in terms of blooldine exploit ...
Also, I don't get why SW should have an advantage e__e

MK won't lose anything by switching weakness.. the weakness would still be 15% ...
And besides, at the moment, SW>MK>LotBB ... If this change was made, it would be SW=MK=LotBB ... why can't bloodlines be balanced?

[Kavier]

MK won't lose anything by switching weakness.. the weakness would still be 15% ...
And besides, at the moment, SW>MK>LotBB ... If this change was made, it would be SW=MK=LotBB ... why can't bloodlines be balanced?

Maybe just maybe they weren't meant to be balanced....meh.

should another a-rank be weak to weapons.... i cant see a valid reason yet, outside of the circle argument which is laughable and clearly misconstrued.

[Raven]

Inspired by post 2;

SW > MK,SY --> Strong against 2 BLs
SoT > LotBB, Lycan, VT --> Strong against 3 BLs
VT > Lycan, LotBB, (VT) --> Strong against 2 BLs, but can exploit VT's weakness
MK > SW, VT, Lycan --> Strong against 3 BLs
SY > LotBB, Lycan, VT (Depends on choice of offense) --> Strong against 3 BLs
LotBB > Lycan --> Strong against one BL

So, basically you want to take one bloodline SW ist strong against and give it to LotBB, leaving SW with the exact same amount of exploitable weaknesses LotBB has now. I don't see "balance" magically happening from that.
I also fail to see the "advantage" SW has. It rather has a disadvantage, compared to most of the bloodlines.

And as Misc said, we're only looking at the passive effects here. LotBB has a decent jounin level jutsu that is still useful on SJ level, especially if you don't have MB, for whatever reason. It also has three bloodline jutsu, unlike SW or MK.

So, point taken, LotBB cannot exploit as many weaknesses as other bloodlines. But your suggestion is only putting SW into LotBB's position.

[sebihp2007]

So, let me go your way ... let's say LotBB doesn't get something to exploit

But why can SW exploit 2 weaknesses, then?

Don't tell me Taijutsu is weak because it is not... First, it's got WC, which is lolzubersomeincredibleultramegahax ... Second, SW gets a boost for Shadow Precision ... Which makes SW users deal more than 25% of opponent's hp, thus making them go out in 4 blows ... if user has capped defenses, you usually take him (her) out of 4 to 5 blows .. So it's a clear advantage !!

So, I have got solid arguments why SW should lose a weakness to exploit ... If it loses it, why not give it to LotBB, since it's got no weakness to exploit ... I'm not bluffing around and I'm not complaining and, as I said before, if you don't have a solid argument why it shouldn't be like this, don't post it ...

Now, as for VT not having a weakness to exploit, it is normal since it's got the best dmg dealing Jutsu in the game (Magma Golem) and it's weakness can be exploited only by Genjutsu users and only with Still Waters ... And if you consider changing MK's weakness to weapon a nerf, then maybe it deserves it since it can exploit VT ...

[Misc]

As far as VT goes what is this jutsu

Name: Water Flow
Attack type: Ninjutsu Required Rank: Jounin
Type: Normal Uses / Battle 50
Element: water Village: All
Experience: 0 Level: 1

Description:
Water based ninjutsu.

now as far as SW goes it actually only has around 190k raw dmg so even with bl weakness it tends to only really match SH so it's not as if VT's are getting massive dmg. VT is weak to water element although there is no SJ water element jutsu, although if lucky ED will be water element

As far as taijutsu goes if you think SW needs a nerf cause WC is hax I would assume logical step would be to nerf WC, not SW. As far as SP goes while it was pretty strong in 1 vs 1 combat with call for help feature it is severely weakened since it takes at least 4 hits to kill someone and in that time you can summon 4 others to kill him

I'll also note that imo more or less all the opinions sebihp2007 have given have been as solid as a straw house and to be honest I have no idea why he's making a mountain out of a flat plain (I think comparing his point to a molehill is a bit generous)

[sebihp2007]

I'm saying SW should get a nerf because it has 2 A-Ranks it can exploit and, just as additional reasons, WC and SP ...

[nalim]

Imo SY should be weak to weapon and not MK >_> .... wich would be more balanced since LotBB is weak to nin and not gen ~. ~

[Kavier]

lotbb >sy would just have sy being weak to 2 a-ranks, as it stands both mk and sy are weak to sw so you would have to remove sw dominance over sy and swap with lotbb and then it could work.

a simple gen vs tai
nin vs weapon face off.

though i don't see the lack of an clear advantage over other a-ranks as a detriment to lotbb users, "its not like you have 135% boost to your offense or anything" (sarcasm). Unless of course you want to swap places with SOT user ^^

[sebihp2007]

lotbb >sy would just have sy being weak to 2 a-ranks while and effectively make it another mk.

as it stands both mk and sy are weak to sy so you would have to remove sw dominance over sy and swap with lotbb and then it could work.

a simple gen vs tai
nin vs weapon face off.

No, that won't work
Only and ONLY MK can get wep weakness to balance things out ...
SY must keep its Tai weakness because Tai has no elemental Jutsu and SY has elemental resistance ...

[Kavier]

errr, Mk and tai has had their rivalry for the longest time so mk picking up a weapon weakness makes little logical sense at all (further more there is canon evidence to show this). Especially if the reason for adding weaknesses is to fit into this imaginary circle constructed by noobs such as yourself.

side note:

it's amazing how people get carried away when they learn something new like using bold and underline functions when posting. -___-

[sebihp2007]

errr, Mk and tai has had their rivalry for the longest time so mk picking up a weapon weakness makes little logical sense at all (further more there is canon evidence to show this). Especially if the reason for adding weaknesses is to fit into this imaginary circle constructed by noobs such as yourself.

side note:

it's amazing how people get carried away when they learn something new like using bold and underline functions when posting. -___-


But, if SY got weapon weakness, then its Elemental resistance would stack with the weakness and it's like nothing happened ... With Taijutsu there is no such problem ...

Second, the circle has been originally made by Marisa and if she's noob, then I understand why you can't follow what I'm saying ...

re to side note:
Bold bold bold underline bold underline bold bold italic underline

Note that I only use bold out of those 3, basically to make the important parts more visible and let people know on what words I'd put my accent if I were talking instead of typing .. It's good to use bold

Oh, and one more thing ... having one on one rivalries is pretty damn stupid >__>
I mean, if SW can exploit MK and MK can exploit SW at the same time, then what's the point in exploiting bloodlines if there's no difference whatsoever? Better have SW exploit SY, MK exploit SW, LotBB exploit SW and SY exploit LotBB .. just makes more sense

Then again, if you just want MK and SW's rivalry to stay just because of the fact that from a "roleplaying" point of view, Gen and Tai are enemies, then quit TNR and go roleplay on the Text-based RPG on the forums ...

[Misc]

I have no idea why sebihp2007 is obsessed with MK getting a weap weakness although SY having a weap weakness makes sense as well. It feels like listening to a broken tape recorder.

MK vs SW = equal
SY vs LBB = equal (note not all weapon jutsus have elements, only BDS and MB do)

other pairings of 3 are 135% vs 135% that's also equal so not A-rank dominates in terms of passives. Only thing that slightly messes it up is SY gives an elemental boost, not a nin boost (and changing it at this point would be unfair to people who trained genjutsu with SY)

Since you cite marisa actually what I suggested above is something that marisa iirc views as equally good to circle version. I'll also note that marisa probably cares a lot more about SH losing it's fire element making SY gen a lot weaker since they have no SJ genjutsu with boost. Considering a lot of ninjutsus with an AoE effect have lost their element that would favour LBB as it means SY no longer get boost in multiplayer

[sebihp2007]

I have no idea why sebihp2007 is obsessed with MK getting a weap weakness although SY having a weap weakness makes sense as well. It feels like listening to a broken tape recorder.

Lawl, that made me laugh and if you read my edited first post, you'll understand why MK rather than SY ...

Considering a lot of ninjutsus with an AoE effect have lost their element that would favour LBB as it means SY no longer get boost in multiplayer

ATM it favours SW, which is already overpowered as it is ...

[nalim]

-. -... A ranks should just be like B ranks .. meaning in weaknesses

Nin have weapon weaknes
weapon have nin weaknes
tai have gen weaknes
gen have tai weaknes

SY=nin, MK=gen, SW=tai, LotBB=weap

wich would make most sence..

also I dont see why you talk bouth what offence can use wich jutsu and get overpowerd that way since the jutsus havent been updated yet >_>..

[AnimeMexicano]

@Emeral: Er, try not to come up with new solutions that use your calculations. They're way off. >_>; The ideas aren't horrible but the off-math was kind of painful to see. ._. #4 reads: Give us an advantage over almost every bloodline. Then we won't complain about having a weakness!


My math was simple math. xD Not very effective but made some sense. xD As for #4, that was kinda of the point v.v Cause as it stands now, every other A rank BL has a advantage over LotBB in that sense.

On another note, I was wondering if this would work.

Remove SY Fire boost and make it a weakness? SY isn't a nin/tai/gen/weapon BL, so why give it a weakness to such? The way I see it, this circle is making 1 BL rule over 2 if MK doesn't get a weapon weakness (This is the most simple solution but I don't like it).

VT = SY

VT has no one to fight besides lycan and lycan fails against every BL except some C and all D. So the new circle would be as follows

SW > MK > LotBB > SoT > SW

A much more balanced circle, with the 4 offs in charge with no SY, it becomes much more simple. We would just have to give SoT 135% off boost, 15% weakness to tai and switch SY weakness to 15% fire. VT is suppose to be the ultimate Fire BL but SY puts it to shame and spits in it's face cause it can use fire just as good as VT >___> You can't have 2 kings.

I really like nalim suggestion but that would destroy the circle............Destroy it. Doing so would cause something like this.

SY, SoT = LotBB
MK = SW

I like my other ideas more but this gives nin users weakness to weapons meaning I can finally get some revenge >.> (Don't mix this idea with the above).